Once again, we find ourselves faced with an increasingly acrimonious debate about the issue of safe standing following the decision of the Minister for Sport, Tracey Crouch, to reject West Bromwich Albion’s application to install a safe standing area at the Hawthorns.
This is, of course, a major setback for club’s, like City, who were keen to follow in Albion’s footsteps.
As you will probably be aware, the three MPs covering Norwich have all visited Carrow Road in recent months to discuss the issue and look at the Club’s plans for introducing safe standing in the Lower Barclay, before throwing their support behind the idea and lobbying Crouch.
It is also probably worth pointing out, for those who aren’t already aware, that safe standing is nothing like a return to the days of Heysel and Hillsborough. Safe standing areas have rigid rails both in front of and behind each space (which has exactly the same dimensions as a seat) to which bolt-on plastic seats can be added or removed in the case of games (such as European competition ties) where an all-seater rule applies.
Sadly, Crouch appears to be happy to ignore this, as well as the advice of safety officers that she herself had a hand in appointing.
In the case of West Brom, the plan was submitted by the deputy chair of the Football Safety Officers Association and backed by the club’s Safety Advisory Group – members of which include representatives of West Midlands Police and of the Government’s own national stadium safety body, the Sports Ground Safety Authority – so her rejection made little sense.
Crouch’s response to the furore that accompanied her decision did little to pour on oil on troubled waters: “The answer to dealing with persistent standing is not necessarily to introduce safe standing.
“There are regulations to deal with persistent standing – I would like to see them enforced.
“I get as many messages from people asking me to deal with persistent standing as I get from people asking me to introduce safe standing.”
There are two points here. The first is that, yes, there are regulations to force people to sit and have been for 15 years. However, the fact is that they are routinely flouted at every single ground at every single game, so much so that stewards have largely given up trying to enforce them, and that leads directly onto the second point.
It is annoying for people who have paid to sit, and wish to do so, or, indeed, are incapable of standing for 90 minutes to have their view obscured by those who insist on standing, and I therefore don’t doubt for a moment that Crouch receives as many letters about that issue as she does in support of safe standing.
However, what is remarkable to me, given her position, is that she totally fails to understand that the solution to both those issues is exactly the same, i.e. the introduction of safe standing areas which will ensure that those who want to stand can do so without destroying the enjoyment of those that want to sit.
While I appreciate that such a move would involve some people being moved to different sections to remain seated, surely that is a better option than to continue to have their view obstructed?
Of course, as Crouch points out the other solution is to stringently enforce the all seater rule, but we are not talking about a handful of people here, we are talking about thousands. Has Crouch ever spent time with stewards at a league ground and seen the abuse that they receive or the way in which they are routinely ignored by fans who know they have safety in numbers? It just won’t work.
The problem is, and Crouch has been warned of this by the same experts, it’s only a matter of time before we see a serious incident as a direct result of people standing in seated areas, something that I’m well aware of from my own experiences, having nearly been pitched headfirst into a four-foot deep concrete channel at Rotherham by a crowd surge.
The fact is that standing with a low seat back in front of you is highly dangerous as being knocked forward, which can frequently happen in an excitable crowd, can easily result in someone being pitched into the row ahead.
Ken Scott, the chief inspector of the Sports Ground Safety Authority, admitted back in September that attempts over 15 years to enforce the all-seater policy brought in by the Government following the Hillsborough disaster were “not working”, that the problem was “getting worse”, and that so-called safe-standing areas would be “safer”.
He’s an accredited expert on the matter yet Crouch clearly thinks that she knows better. Let’s hope that no-one suffers death or serious injury as a result.
Excellent stuff.
I read Chloe Smith,government minister,to mean in the EDP-the answers is “no” and “Gavin said, you should shut up and go away and any way, we’re far more interested in Brexit/ WW3.”
I cannot agree that football is a secondary priority to global destruction.
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The fact that she’d rather continue with unsafe standing in seated areas, rather than safe standing in a purposely designed areas simply beggars belief!
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Nicely put Gaz …. spot on
And very good piece Mr Robin
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When the club has no money to pay for training grounds or player wages, realistically how high a priority is this? Who would pay for it, should it ever go ahead?
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Totally realistic – the Club are 100% behind this happening as soon as they’re permitted. In terms of funding, could either go down the crowd-funding route, or, pay out of regular income, as totals are relatively modest, hundreds of thousands, rather than millions.
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400k for a broke club is a lot of money. That’s a years wage for a player on 8k.
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Behave David! The Club may not be exactly flushed with cash, but it’s hardly on the point of going into administration – that’s broke.
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It’s costed at £400k and is in the budget for when they get the go ahead.
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I agree that the likes of Tracey Crouch don’t understand the issue – the only way she could is to have attended games regularly before becoming a minister. In reality she’s probably guided by her Civil Servants, not many of whom will ever have been regulars on the terraces themselves.
As you rightly ask:
” Has Crouch ever spent time with stewards at a league ground and seen the abuse that they receive or the way in which they are routinely ignored by fans who know they have safety in numbers?”
No, but if she had that would almost certainly strengthen her resolve, or the resolve of those who advise her, not to give an inch on the issue.
All such abuse does is effectively put people in the wrong who might otherwise be in the right.
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How can standing behind rails be safer than standing on open terracing with controlled numbers?
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Because if there is a crowd surge you are protected front and back by railings and kept “safe”. On the old terraces, I had to stand in front of one of the few barriers, in order not to be knocked over, trampled on or propelled forcibly down the terrace.
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Safe standing areas have rigid rails both in front of and behind each space (which has exactly the same dimensions as a seat) to which bolt-on plastic seats can be added or removed
WHAT? That sounds extremely dangerous. Perhaps not life threatening a la Hillsborrough, but it’s a leg waiting to be broken. As Tony said above allow controlled numbers in free standing areas
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In what way could they lead to a broken leg Geoff?it’s much more likely to happen( and has) with someone being pitched over a low seat back. It would be worth you taking a look at rail seats. I have and they are very secure and have been safely used in Germany for years plus two seasons at Celtic.
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There’s plenty of anecdotal evidence, both from Germany and Celtic, proving that such concerns are totally unfounded.
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It appears that Tony and Geoff would benefit form reading more widely and looking at the photographs on a site such as this:
http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/what-does-safe-standing-look-like/
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