Here’s a question for you.
Is watching England play, for you, as enjoyable as it used to be – if, indeed, it ever has been?
I’m forced to face up to the fact that it isn’t for me after another weekend of domestic football that has been, in the main, postponed because of the demands of World Cup qualifying fixtures. The immediate consequence of that being, for me, not so much looking forward to watching England play in their two important qualifying matches as feeling annoyed that it’s interrupted the domestic programme. This has meant no Norwich game to look forward to, exchange views and hopes about, watch and, in its aftermath, analyse and further discuss in the days that follow.
It’s not like that for England games anymore. Life carries on pretty much as normal in the days leading up to it, sofa time will be booked for the ninety minutes of action (and that alone, ITV’s pre-match and half time ‘analysis’ is reason enough to do something else) but, once the final whistle has gone, the game is forgotten and I just get on with whatever I might have been doing an hour and a half earlier.
Indeed, it’s probably got to the stage that I now watch England games purely out of habit. The same sort of habit that sees me endeavour to consume my regulation five healthy portions a day. Not, in other words, something I choose to do because I like what I’m eating or enjoy doing so – but because I’m told that, somewhere down the line that investment will pay off, that it’ll be “good for me” in the long term.
And so it is with the England national team. I sit, I watch, I hope. Hope that, someday and at some, as yet, unspecified time in the future, all of those frustrating, occasionally boring and, like a Chinese takeaway, almost always unfulfilling hours watching England play will come off and it too, like eating melon and kiwi fruit on a daily basis, will also be good for me.
It’s not as if it hasn’t happened before or that I’ve never got a buzz out of watching the national side. Euro 1996, a glorious early summer evening and England are dissecting Holland at Wembley. For each England goal both me and my wife dance, unfettered joy in our hearts, out of the house and into the garden, as does, it seems, everyone else in the road where we lived at the time.
Fast forward to Euro 2004 and Wayne Rooney, still only 18, scoring four goals in two games for England and my thinking, at the time that he looked as if he was going to be one of the greatest players ever to have worn an England shirt before injury ruled him out of the rest of the tournament.
I don’t, incidentally, think he has been the same player since that injury but that’s another story.
There have been low lights of course. None greater than when Ronald Koeman scored for Holland against England in a crucial (aren’t they all?) qualifying match for the 1994 World Cup. Koeman, lucky to be on the pitch at all after escaping a red card a few moments earlier scored, at the second attempt, from a free kick, Brian Moore identifying what he was going to do long before the England defence had worked it out with his, “he’s going to flick one now, he’s going to flick one….” –and thus he did.
England were a goal down and, in rage and frustration, I stormed out of my house and stalked the streets of South London for a few hours, such was my anger and upset at not only the injustice of it all, but the very real likelihood that England would not now qualify for the 1994 World Cup.
Ridiculous I know, but that’s how I was at the time and that’s how much I wanted England to win and do well. Committed and unconditional. Full on in fact. Three lions on my shirt.
And yet now? Well, the word ‘meh’ comes to mind. England play, I watch, they win, draw or lose. Life goes on. I don’t know when that all changed or why and yes, part of me does feel disloyal, unpatriotic even because of it.
Is that right?
Should I feel ashamed?
I don’t know – and, sadly, I don’t particularly care either. Does that make me unpatriotic? Probably not. But what it does make me is, without question, a club before country man and in every respect.
A question was once asked. What, given the choice, would you prefer? England to win the next World Cup or for Norwich to win the FA Cup next season? My answer, one that came out before I’d even had time to think about it was instant. FA Cup? Well yes, of course. But, given the choice between three points for Norwich in their next league game or England winning the next World Cup, give me the former everyday of the week.
And, with a big league game coming up at Tottenham this weekend, the same still applies – three points for Norwich or Stephen Gerrard lifting the World Cup above his head in the Maracana next summer, I’ll take those three points at White Hart Lane please. Every time.
And, suddenly, with that self revelation I realise why it’s club before country for me now – and, more to the point, to such an extreme.
Being a Norwich fan. Think about it. We are, to paraphrase that old EastEnders cliché, ‘family’. We’re well and truly all in it together. There is a sense of belonging, of community, of shared delight and mutual despair; of new friends made, if only for ninety minutes-or even ninety seconds.
I remember the game against Reading last season, Elliott Bennett scoring and dancing in delight in front of we normally reserved folk in the River End – did I say reserved? For it was me that more or less stood on his seat, stretched out his arms and screamed, at the top of his voice, “Elliott Bennett, I bloody well love you”. And, at that moment, I did, I really did.
We’d come into that game on the back of a poor run and the tension laid so thick in the air prior to kick off that you could have used it as a tasty filling for one of the half time pies. Thus, when Benno scored, the explosion of relief that we all felt was cathartic, a release and realisation that our team, and I emphasise the use of the word ‘our’ there, our team still had in them the fight, conviction and faith to dig themselves out of the somewhat self inflicted hole they had dug over the preceding six games. And they did.
There is little like that that feeling when Norwich score. Its raw, it’s tribal (yes, even in the River End) it’s us against them and ‘us’ prevailing, against all the odds as well as the critics, and, time and time again, having our say, making our mark. It’s that sense of mutual belonging that I mentioned earlier and the fact that, for many of us, we are seen as much a part of the club, as supporters, as any of the players, management or boardroom members are. And it feels all the better because, as far as our support is concerned, we chose it, we made the conscious decision to be Norwich City fans.
Sometimes those men in the yellow and green are heroes, occasionally they are gods. And yes, there have been times when they have been good for nothing, useless bloody bastards. But know this: even when they are that, they’re our good for nothing, useless bloody bastards – and woe betide anyone outside of the yellow and green family who besmirches their or our name, even then.
Do I, can I ever have or display the same feelings, passions, emotions for England that I do for Norwich City?
No.
Wayne Rooney could score a hat-trick in the World Cup Final next year as England send Brazil packing in a 4-1 win that draws plaudits and adoration from around the footballing world. And that would be great. For him, his teammates, for all the fans that travelled out there to watch it. And, as we would inevitably be told afterwards, for the greater good of the game as a whole in England itself – starting and finishing, I suspect, in the Premier League.
But there you go. I know that.
But I also know I wouldn’t be dancing around my living room, stood on the sofa, arms outstretched as I scream, at the top of my voice, “Wayne Rooney, I bloody well love you”. Because whilst I’m English by default, I’m Norwich by conscious choice – and that’s why my loyalties lie, firmly and irrevocably, on the side of my team in the club versus country debate.
But if only it were that simple. Because, as I wrote earlier in this piece, I used to feel as passionate about England as I do about Norwich. Damn you Ronald Koeman and his revenge strike for that joyful 4-1 annihilation of the Dutch at Wembley in 1996 – I bloody loved Teddy Sheringham that night!
So what else has changed? Because I know I’m not the only one, that my stance, my view, my opinion is not alone and unique. Indeed, far from it – I’d go as far as to say I’m part of a very great number of people who now regard their support for their club side as, like me, superseding that of their national one.
Is it because we find it easier to identify with our club side? Do Norwich, as, I am sure most of the senior clubs in England do now, make greater and more concerted efforts to make their fans feel involved, to be part of things?
It’s easy, it’s accepted to drape yourself in the club colours and pledge your support. And, in contrast to that, and with the very concept of being English now one of great debate and argument, do we find ourselves feeling distant from whatever that is or means, and, in doing so, finding ourselves more drawn to the areas where we were born, where we live, where we feel most at home – ‘localism’ as it is now contemporarily known?
I think that may have a lot to do with it. I can certainly identify with those words of Lord Nelson, addressed to the admiring masses at Great Yarmouth as he stepped ashore there once, declaring: “I am a Norfolk man and Glory in being so.”
I know people will disagree. Indeed, I’ve said, time and time again, that disagreements in football are what makes it the joy that it is, those differing opinions and dissenting voices to your own – it’s intoxicating and I wouldn’t want it any other way. None of us are right or wrong, but we all have opinions.
So what’s yours on this matter? Is it club first for you? Or country? And why?
I’m very much a club man. But you probably realise that by now!
On the night which saw Frank’s 100th cap,
The match was dire, the passing was crap,
As normal, possession was the flaw,
The tired mantra; ‘just get the draw’,
After an hour, I turned off and had a nap.
..says it all really re: club vs country.
Nelson was rightly proud to be a man of Norfolk but he did also play a blinder for England and did the military equivalent of winning the World Cup by thrashing the French in the final battle.
Here’s another reason for not watching England – a part description of yesterday’s game from the Guardian: ‘As it was the opening 20 minutes in Kiev resembled a mid-table, end of season Premier League muddle of a game.’
And no I didn’t watch it, though I did scan the goals in the Moldava game, since that was like City playing Bury and having the unusual opportunity to score a bucket full of goals. So England are either scoring goals for fun against League 1 or 2 opposition, or engaging in scrappy messes with their peers.
If the quality improved we might all be attracted back a bit more.
Last night in Kiev was a ‘classic’ England performance – defended stoically, gave 101% and ground out the draw that they needed. To be fair, there have been a few City away games of late which fit that description. Hodgson and Hughton from the same mould?
With the national side, you usually have to wait months after a crap game to see if they can make amends for making us doze off mid-match. At least with City, you get a follow up game within a week to get excited again.
I would contend that the chasm that exists between the top 4 in the PL and the rest is as great as that between England and the world’s best – therefore as both City and England fans, we are supporting the underdogs when it really matters. However, with England, the underdogs are comprised of those multi-millionaire members of the top 4 PL sides which personally makes it difficult to feel any enthusiasm towards them.
Poland on 15th Oct will be win or bust – will it be a Hodgson ‘brolly-wally’ moment or a ‘Polish keeper plays the game of his life’ moment? I think I may care more if City are in the top 10 or not.
Apologies for sounding like a broken record but the turning point for me was the gutless display in South Africa 2010 when the *golden generation* were supposedly at their zenith.
What I find hard to reconcile however is have *we* lost interest in the national team because it’s finally been laid bare that actually, we’re not very good? Shouldn’t be the case of course, but I’m not convinced my own disinterest isn’t driven by the fact we’re a million miles away from actually winning anything.
Not big or clever, but alas I fear a significant factor.
While the same can be said of City, the emotional investment (and as Ed says, the feeling of being part of something) will always ensure my Norwich *interest* never ever wanes.
I guess if we all wanted to win things and bask in the glory of the success of others we could all support Spain and Man Utd! As far as England is concerned, they could be ‘not very good’ forever-if only there was a dose of reality with regard to that, a little panache in their play and a more toned down approach from the media.
Agree with Gary re.the 2010 World Cup. That exposed a nerve or two, not least the usual old failings which were followed by the even more usual old excuses-which was by far the more annoying.
Are the players stifled or does the system stifle them? International football should be an indulgence, fun, an exhibition-because it doesn’t really matter who wins, that comes at club level. If we could see it that way, play and approach it accordingly and throw off the shackles I think there would be a surge of support for England.
Couldn’t agree more. I couldn’t wait for England games once. It was summed up for me on Friday when my wife asked who England were playing, “No idea” I replied “But City have Spurs away, Villa Home, Stoke Away and Chelsea Home in the next four fixtures”. I watch England games if there is nothing better on TV (and I get to control the remote!), however I am more interested in Scotland, Sweden, Holland and ROI to the point that when in London on August 15th I wanted to buy a Scotland shirt with “Snodgrass” on the back to blend in!!
Here’s a practical prescription for making us all proud and interested (again) in the England team;
1. Ban all brass bands from international venues for a minimum of a 100 mile radius – this is top priority. Has anyone ever heard it said that they ‘enhance’ the reputation of the country and its football team? If other countries fans are laughing, it’s not with us but at us. We need to bring back some dignity to these occasions – having Colonel Bogey playing endlessly in the background does not achieve this aim.
2. Thank Roy ‘safe pair of hands’ Hodgson for his adequate efforts but replace as soon as we’re knocked out on penalties of the QF’s in Brazil.
3. Re-appoint Glenn Hoddle. I don’t wish a return to mullets and dodgy disco tracks, but he remains the most cultured and positive-minded player-then coach this country has produced in the last 30 years. He may have some bizarre personal views but it’s time to forgive and forget surely?
4. Get Jermaine Defoe off the flipping bench – he’s the most natural goal scorer there is in this country. Sure he has fitness issues but as far as I’m aware, he was fit for the last two games but we went with ‘Ricky’ instead. The result of this against a decent side (Ukraine) was the old habit of loofing the ball up the pitch as soon as we got it. Can’t wait for Andy Carroll to get back into contention.
5. Try to eradicate this ‘draw at all costs’ mentality for important games against decent opposition. It shows a total lack of ambition for genuine progression and a thorough disregard for travelling fans or those lazy sods like me on the couch at home.
Please forward copies to the FA and Greg Dyke.
What a fascinating debate. It has to be club before country for me. From a personal point of view, I have always felt ambivalent about my country. It has a ruthless history of exploiting less fortunate nations, thinks that it’s right about everything and believes that God is always on its side. Throw football into the mix, and its not long before nationalism and the politics of the far right start creeping in. Do I want to be part of that, not in a million years. So what’s different about Norwich? I have heard racist views expressed by supporters, but as far as I can recall, only once in recent years.
Then there’s the underdog aspect. There is an element about the club, and perhaps the city itself which the South East and the major cities don’t really take seriously. People laugh at us, perhaps in the same way that we might laugh about very thick individuals, particularly those with money and little between the ears.
Despite this, I would like to see the national team do well. The current obsession with money in both football and society has arguably taken away a sense of dignity and pride in what the country means to us. At the crux of it, has to be an investment in youth, not only in training and development, but in terms of opportunity to be successful at club level.
At the moment, this umbilical chord has been severed, and while mother’s wonderful breast nurtures ‘Premier’, her other baby feeds off scraps, and additionally gets the blame for not being a world class footballing team. What would need to happen would be a some sort of diversion of funds to restore this balance.
Are we really better off? Twenty odd years ago, teams like Norwich, QPR, and yes even the neighbours, might finish fifth in the top flight. Its no coincidence that the national team is crap, the playing field is no longer level. I don’t know what the answer is, perhaps Edward, or someone with superior knowledge on the subject, to me , needs to ask those questions. How come the Spanish and the Germans are so hot. It can’t be rocket science. I’m guessing that the essential question is, are we willing to pay for this success?