I try not to devote too much MyFootballWriter time to Ipswich Town…
- Because we’re a Norwich City website, so why would we, and
- Because it plays straight into the ‘living rent-free’ narrative they love to purport.
But, about once a season I do invariably feel the need to open up that festering wound that is the frosty relationship between yellow and blue, if only to hammer home a few home truths on either side.
It’s probably an age thing, but it drives me bloody nuts when the endless toing and froing reignites on social media, usually triggered by the faintest hint of oneupmanship from either side.
Same old lines. Same old boasts. Same old retorts.
So, just to put it out there once and for all, a few facts:
- Ipswich have won more major honours than Norwich, among them at least two trophies we’ll never lift.
- Ipswich have a bigger stadium than Norwich.
- Ipswich get good crowds for League One and have the potential to have average crowds as big as Norwich’s – but don’t at the moment.
- Ipswich have a good away following; as good if not better than Norwich’s.
- Norwich have played at a higher level than Ipswich for eight of the last 12 seasons.
- Norwich haven’t lost to Ipswich since 19 April 2009.
- Ipswich currently have wealthier owners than Norwich.
- Ipswich have won a European trophy while Norwich ‘participated in the UEFA Cup for one season.
- Norwich qualified for Europe three times in the mid-late 1980s (when due to Heysel no English clubs were permitted), and may or may not have done well.
- Norwich own their own stadium and training ground. Ipswich don’t.
- Norwich fans spend too much time obsessing over Ipswich (and probably vice-versa).
Before I go much further, I should declare a conflict of interest. While my thoughts on those from down south have been well documented – not least from my time as the Metro’s Norwich City voice – I still can’t get as worked up about them and what their supporters say as many other City supporters.
My mum’s side of the family hail from Huntingfield, a small village tucked away in north Suffolk, and so, naturally enough, some of them chose the path of the Tractor rather than that of the Canary. Some thankfully didn’t – and chose the correct path – but it’s a roughly 50/50 split when the Cutts clan, which is many in number, congregates.
So, when I see City fans spitting feathers and venom in the direction of those in blue, I find myself unable to get as fired up as some for those obvious reasons.
But, that said, I didn’t half take some stick from those down south in my aforementioned time at the Metro – the type of stick you wouldn’t want your parents to read – and so while family members are out of bounds, there are times when I’ve felt the need to defend myself when under attack from other Blues 😀
Anyway… the latest round of ‘my dad’s bigger than your dad’ was triggered earlier today by a piece originally written by Stuart Watson for the East Anglian Daily Times but which was also published on the Pink Un. The thrust of the article was captured in its headline:
‘We’re going to push back!’ – Ashton’s message to Norwich City
Ashton, for those who don’t know, is Town chief executive Mark Ashton – a chirpy fellow who arrived in deepest, darkest Suffolk from Bristol City off the back of Marcus Evans being bought out by that group of US businessmen who fund the club via an Arizona State pension fund.
Central to the piece was the fact that Ipswich have, over recent weeks, recruited four members of staff from Norwich City – only one of which was football-related.
But in Ashton’s eyes, this is the start of the fightback.
He continued to make the point that City have Player Development Centres in the Suffolk locations of Whitton, Kesgrave and Bury St Edmunds, and he thinks these should be areas over which his club has the pick of the crop.
I tend to agree. We’d be pi$$ed if Ipswich had centres of excellence in Costessey, Poringland and King’s Lynn, so as inflammatory as the headline may appear, he’s not saying anything I wouldn’t expect him to.
Ditto the fact that he wants to beef up their equivalent to our CSF, which now goes by the name of the Ipswich Town Foundation – an organisation that in the Evans era, and under the guise of the Community Trust, was wound down to virtually nothing.
As a club with – whether we like it or not – the closest demographic to our own, if they’re not serving their community then why not.
But, all in all, there was nothing there to really rile us up. But it was still enough.
There’s undoubtedly an ambition and swagger about them that’s not been there for a while – a belief that under the new regime and Kieran McKenna, they have their best chance in a while to return to the Championship.
And they may be right.
Then it’ll really start.
So, we need to remind ourselves that the bragging rights won’t remain ours forever and when our paths do next cross they’ll be sniffing blood. As much as it pains me to say it, they will beat us again and we’ll probably never hear the end of it when it happens. It’ll be one to take on the chin.
Also, get this… one day, they’ll be above us again in the league pyramid, and that’ll sting.
For now though, they first of all have to worry about escaping League One, which – as they’re proving – is not as easy as it sounds. Ask Sunderland too.
But they will be back at some point, and we’d better be ready – both on the pitch and on Twitter.
I actually agree with that Gary.
I find it hard to split the teams over the years. And both clubs have reason to claim top spot.
We are currently two ahead in the head to head derbies something in the late sixties, when I started supporting the club, would have seemed impossible.
They were that far ahead in those days. Gerry Harrison always seemed more happy if he was at Portman Road than Carrow Road on Match of the Week.
I still remember witnessing that 2-1 win at Portman Road in 1972 in our first ever top league derby encounter. If you thought the Town supporters were surprised then spare a thought for us !!!
We were in “the wrong end” as it were. Well done Dad.
I love watching Big Match Revisited on ITV on Saturday mornings and lets be honest Bobby Robson created two great Ipswich sides in his time as manager and seeing them feature regularly on BMR I do wonder what Ipswich supporters who can remember those days today think of their current side in comparison to the Mariner, Brazil, Gates, Wark etc era.
Not a lot in my opinion. Just like us I suppose when we were relegated to Division Three in 2009 the ghosts of Peters, Paddon, Forbes, Sutton and Crook etc weighed heavily in our minds as to just how low we had sunk.
Two things regarding Ipswich, firstly they did seem to “bottle” winning the First Division twice and secondly the Cup Winners Cup win in 1981 was against teams I have never heard of.
But for years it must be said they were top six and played some very good football and have something I would love us to have, an FA Cup win. It will take a miracle of Wigan proportion for us to do that now.
But for us it has to be the European adventures that never were. All denied us because of the atrocious scenes at Heysel. While the guilty for that had to be rightly punished, it was not right that clubs such as ourselves, Sheffield Wednesday, Coventry, Oxford and Luton were also banned. For many never to qualify again.
In today’s world that would not be excepted, in this age of litigation would you be punished for something you had absolutely no part in ? I do not think so.
Three times in the 80’s we qualified for Europe and in the last two we had an excellent team, the best teams in our history. So who knows where that would have taken us.
So we are fairly even in these things.
However I do think this coming season is massive for both clubs. Another year in the 3rd Division would be disastrous for Ipswich as it will get harder and harder to get out of and while for us I feel we will have one more season after this to mount a challenge for the EPL after that we too will have financial worries if a takeover hasn’t happened.
Hi Tim
Not much to disagree with you, or for that matter Gary. I remember the 1960s when derbies were occasional events as they were in the division above. I would just point out that Division 1 (as now is) is the easiest to get out of – 3 up and 4 down! Even Ipswich couldn’t take the escalator down???
Find the Old Farm Derby tag is a bit condescending and twee – much prefer the moniker Kansas State University and Iowa State University have for their College Football derbies…… Farmaggedon
I agree actually… hate it. Farmaggedon is much better.
Would rather have had our last 35years than theirs a least something happened every season goog or bad .
Well said on everything. Totally agree. As a youngster, living in Stowmarket, where all good #ncfc followers live (!) my Canary Dad took me to Portman Road to watch football. It was closer after all. It was Ramsey Crawford and Phillips at the time so I was smitten. He was disappointed, but later bought Carrow Road season tickets for himself and my Mum for many years, so never lost his Canary Faith. I’ll always be thankful for his generous letting me make my own mind up. Because of that I’ve always tried to be balanced in thoughts towards you lot, I hate the word Scum whoever uses it, and always enjoy good hearted banter twixt the two. Yes I smiled when you got relegated, but you are undoubtedly in the ascendancy at the moment. Hopefully we have turned the corner, hopefully you will wait for us to catch up. Mr Ashton seems a dynamic man, then again so did Mr Webber. We will see.
Cheers Graham. I used to work with a chap who had season tickets for both Ipswich and Norwich, and who, despite being a Town supporter, was able to freely admit when he’d watched City and they’d played well.
Weird times 🙂
From what Bristol City fans have to say, Ashton is just the chap that Norwich fans should be happy is in charge of little 1p5wich.
Yes, Don, I think there was a bit of flag waving and a celebratory firework display in Bristol when he left. There’s probably a number of our fans who would do the same if Stuart Webber left, so I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not. (Though it’s only recently the anti Webber thing has really surfaced.)