To say that our club lurches from crisis to crisis is maybe a bit of an exaggeration. I say that because, for me, where we are now is the culmination of one single, prolonged crisis, which has been interspersed with the occasional, all-too-brief bouts of hope.
I would argue this goes back to the summer of 2021 when, fresh from emphatically winning that behind-closed-doors Championship, the club sold Emi Buendia and then attempted to use those funds to build a squad capable of surviving in the Premier League.
As we all well know, that didn’t happen and since then I would argue that almost all of the big calls made by those in power have been the wrong ones. Offer them a fork in the road and they take the wrong one.
Not intentionally so, of course, and we would all make different decisions if granted the gift of hindsight, but the harsh reality is that our club finds itself in a ginormous hole right now because time and time again the decision-making has been terrible.
Even now, as we reach the point where the head coach very clearly needs to be relieved of his duties, they hesitate, dither, and delay. Again, it’s a crisis within a crisis of their own making – with a sporting director in waiting not starting until November 27 and the outgoing sporting director not in a position to make a huge call that will affect the future of a club he has no wish to be part of.
We find ourselves in the very heart of you-couldn’t-make-it-up territory.
No other club in the land would tie itself up in knots in this way. Alas with this cozy, family-club ethos that Norwich City likes to espouse when the time is right, also comes an approach that, to be generous, is amateurish.
As I wrote last Sunday, David Wagner’s race is run. That much is very clear to everyone except those to whom it matters. He has reached the level of delusion in his post-match comments that only come from someone who no longer has the answers. He tells us that a performance was ‘okay’ when it was evident to anyone watching or listening that it was anything but.
He tries to validate a performance based on a few good moments within it – not on the whole piece, which was error-ridden, confused, and, in the second half, half-hearted.
That he is actually a decent guy makes it doubly difficult to watch. And let’s not forget, this debacle is not one of Wagner’s making. He’s a by-product of it – of a club that is in freefall – but he is also not the man to turn around the on-field problems.
Because therein lies the bigger problem.
Sack Wagner and all of the ongoing issues in terms of owners and boardrooms and executive directors and structures remain. Sack Wagner and whoever comes in would hopefully scrape together a few points courtesy of the new manager bounce, but once it settles those same big issues will still be there staring us all in the face.
Even when the day finally arrives for Stuart Webber to clear his desk and for Ben Knapper to take full control – who knows when that will actually be – the spectre of a three-to-seven-year appraisal of Mark Attanasio by Delia Smith awaits.
And what if she and Michael decide don’t like what they see? What then?
Do we start the whole process again? Back to more ultra-austerity under the guise of ‘self-funding’, which clearly doesn’t work and is actually nothing of the sort?
No thanks.
But that unfortunately is where we are right now:
- Owners lacking in ideas and funds but unwilling to relinquish the reins
- A lame-duck sporting director who is still here at the behest of said owners
- An executive structure that is unfit for purpose
- A new sporting director who is still four weeks away from starting
- A head coach whose Plan A has been sussed, who has no Plan B, and whose time is up
- A group of players who are error-ridden, bereft of confidence, and directionless
In an ideal world, this happens:
- The owners go cap in hand to Ben Knapper and do whatever it takes to get him to start immediately
- As soon as he arrives, Stuart Webber is told his services are no longer required
- Knapper humanely relieves Wagner of his duties and places Narcís Pèlach in temporary charge
- A new head coach is sought – one from the young-and-hungry category (this is the hard bit)
- Delia and Michael are made Honorary Life-Presidents but step aside to allow Attansio to take control
That, of course, is just me dreaming and I’m acutely aware (especially after the week I have just had) that ideal worlds rarely exist.
But we have gone way beyond the point of saying that ‘something has to change’ to halt this slide into League One. Lots of things have to change.
This club has gone way beyond needing a tweak here and a change there to make it better. Sweeping reform is needed but I’m not convinced those with the ability to bring it about have the desire to do so.
And that really stings.
But the risk of doing nothing is that, for the second time in the era of Delia, we sleepwalk into the third tier of English football.
To do nothing and sit tight must not be an option.
100%. Changing the coach only will make no difference. Fundamental Structural and personnel changes at Board are required to improve governance and remove conflicts of interest. Webber should have gone in the summer and that is down to the Board – oh wait, that is mr and Mrs Webber.
Will changing the coach will make a difference? The proof of that is Farke – he had the same structure above him and won two Championship titles.
What kind of difference are you expecting?
Change the board and suddenly we become the next Brentford or Brighton?
Perhaps we get new American owners like Bournemouth who sack a good solid manager and replace him with a young hungry trendy manager. Worked well.
But Farke had genuinely talented players such as Pukki, Krul, Buendia, Godfrey, Aaron’s, Lewis and Stieps.. We definitely don’t have that now.
For god’s sake Belgrade Canary open your eyes…
You can’t have it both ways Mr Belgrade.
Are you suggesting the board have an impact on the clubs success or not?
As you say tweaks will not work anymore major surgery is required.
Attanasio must take control, appoint a Chairman or CEO.
A new coach needs to be one who recognises the Academy and anyone half decent is not sold on to sustain a failed model.
The thing is this requires a lot of money, is Attanasio willing to fund a rebuild on and off the pitch?
I was once told the quickest way to become a millionaire was to be a billionaire and buy a football club.
Rant over, just exasperated like everyone else.
Attanasio has already put in £31m of debt funding, plus £10m in c-preference shares.
Funding now isn’t the issue, it’s how it’s been spent previously – badly!
Absolutely nailed it Gary!
I said at the start of the season, Webber giving his notice early this year was not given boxes to clear out his office?
This season was a write off before the first whistle of game one blew!
Manager appointed by a sporting director who was already finished with the club?
Conflict of interests come to mind?
A team built for a Manager who plays a specific style of football yet the players are not fit for it?
A new sporting director should have been installed before the summer transfer window, not halfway through the season, ludicrous!
The owners do not know how to run a football club? 26 years of poor decision making have led us back where we started.
Until the owners go forget it! People need to wake up and smell the coffee, enough is enough now. The scapegoats have come and gone the real issue is at the top, fan pressure needs to be applied accordingly to get rid of the rot!
Good on ya Greg, my sentiments exactly, the fans need to get off their bums and make a statement they’ve done it before and that’s the only way to force her out.
There will be a day in the future when Stuart Webber makes the final arduous steps to the summit of some far distant mountain.
When he removes his frost coated goggles in the thin atmosphere, he’ll see Delia and Michael sitting there, with his wife.
Exasperated, Stuart says out loud “But how is it possible you got here before me! I’ve been training for this for years!”
“Well.” smiles Delia, “You see, although we let you think you’re in charge, we never wanted you to succeed and be more important than us. That’s why we underfunded your mission, and gave you a cheap map. The bad news is, Stuart, this isn’t even the right mountain. Unlucky, son.”
You have said it all Gary , there is nothing to add !
Again Mr G you paint the exact picture. Things are wrong that have been talked about on here for as long as I can remember, in fact, those were talked about back 15 years or so when I owned Carrowroad.net. Stowmarket Duo Out
We have seen the limping club going from a similar disaster to another. Always with the finger of blame on ex Chairmen, Executive Directors, Managers/Coaches and players. When the real cause of all the problems are firmly in the Boardroom. I more than cringe when I hear so-called experts make claims we are a well-run club, clearly, they are not associated in any form with the club, as ex-players or supporters.
Yes if we get another coach in there will be a new manager bounce (hopefully) and then back to normal, trouble with that scenario is the board will say they have done something about the problem/s. Hard to argue with.
I cannot see much of a change happening until closer to the next international break November 13 to 21, already I am proved wrong
The latest rumour (this Morning)is Webber could leave in next two weeks. Two weeks in Norwich City eyes could be 2 months. Is something is moving either Adams will oversee the change over or Knapper is coming ahead of the stated time. As the Moody Blues sang “Go now, go now, go now (go now, ooh) Before you see me cry?”
I still do not expect the Knapper appointment yielding what is needed, is he going to go to the Board and say Delia & Michael you are the real problem ? Of course not, if he suggests anything too radical, he will get a friendly arm around his shoulder with the words “We don’t do that here, it isn’t the Norwich Way”
While fans look around for managers, I am no different I like Dave Challinor at Stockport, but I believe the next coach came in a short while ago, one Narcís Pèlach. I believe that the club or should I say Webber brought the guy in. Pelach said that he credited Wagner as playing a key role in convincing the coach to join the Canaries’ backroom staff. He also sees his goal of gaining promotion to the Premier League, with Norwich. Doesn’t speak to me of being totally Wagner’s idea .
But still the problems will remain, as another Band Aid stuck over the gaping wound. When major surgery for a major organ replacement is the only answer
canarylad – “major surgery for a major organ replacement is the only answer”
Agreed, we need to remove not only the organ, but the organ grinder and the monkey too!
Agree with most of this. My only disagreement would be Narcis Pelach as temporary manager. He had I think a couple of games at Huddersfield and did not pull up any trees or get that job.. Part of the problem in my eyes is that the players do not fully understand the system they are playing which is down to the coaches. I also worry that Andy Hughes is one of those coaches. We need to get all the Huddersfield connection out of the building.
The fish rots from the head and Delia and Michael are that head. It is time they handed over to MA. Young and hungry is the way forward. Ip5wich tried it with Hurst before they got McKenna so it may take time but its the way forward. As for the players, it beggars belief that we can lose two strikers and the back up is incapable of stepping up.. I would also add that we should ship out those players who are not up to it, including Duffy Idah, Onel etc. If Idah ever comes good we would have a sell on fee. I hope Knapper is good. He has a big job.
What do you expect a coach to do in a few games as a caretaker coach?
Teams play in complex strategies with pressing and how they move the ball forward to create overloads, new coaches get given months to get their ideas across it took Farke a whole season?
However I actually think any caretaker coach might have some success in a few games I initially as the players seem confused of when and where to press.
Oh and please none of this young and hungry coach stuff, it’s such a meaningless cliché. Would you turn down Hodgson or Moyes at this point?
I think what you mean is a coach who has clear ideas and and understanding of the game and a winning record regardless of level.
Hungry young coach version 1 – Paul Lambert = success and the biggest change in the corridors of CR in years and a brand of exciting football with never-say-die players
Hungry young coach version 2 – Alex Neil – the day out at Wembley alone was worth his appointment.
Hungry young coach version 3 – Daniel Farke – best football I’ve ever seen with players who we will remember forever, also never afraid to use players from the academy.
We don’t want the likes of Hodgson or Moyes, one they’d be expensive and two we’ve had enough dour, negative football and another cliche ‘seasoned pros’ around Colney for a lifetime.
We have young Keller (for me the only good buy from last summer). We still have Sarge and hopefully, Rowe, Sara and Gunn. The rest can go. We need technical players a la Farkeball. Let’s bring on some of the academy lads too.
Let’s hope that Ben Knapper has some good connections and can bring players in who want to play for our shirt, Playing for us should be a step up, a way to building a career. Not a pension plan. All these older experienced players have added nothing and don’t have the guts and stability as supposed.
I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts Jane although you’re clearly of a younger vintage than me, hungry young coach version 1 was without doubt the late great John Bond. He revolutionised the way Norwich City played football way back in the 70’s and being a former graduate of what was referred to as the West Ham academy it was a style worth watching and synonymous with what we’ve become accustomed to watching.
Hi Bob, no I remember John Bond, absolutely idolised the man. I was giving examples of managers under the present regime. I am a year off getting a half price season ticket.
Well said Jane, it’s these happy clappers keeping Delia and co in the privileged positions of power, and in her case limelight.
The changes needed are beyond the comprehension of the existing owners and they have surrounded themselves with a management team who will not willing jump off the gravy train. It will take a slide into Div 1 and a catastrophic funding crisis to force all the changes necessary. A lot of grief ahead.
There is no future in the past. If Webber remains high in the esteem of our out of date owners, that is wrong. Wagner was brought in on his past exploits under Webber at Huddersfield, that also is wrong. This club is heading only one way at this present time, self funding and relying on past glories at the core of the problem. Please can they all wake up let go before it’s to late. I believe that if nothing is done then the fans will answer when season ticket renewals come around next March. I will be one of those.
Spot on Gary.
Football clubs generally, when the situation arises, don’t hesitate for a second to get their senior staff out of the door when they’re either underperforming or if their head has been turned and there are distractions. Thankyou, goodbye, here are some gardening vouchers…
Same with all businesses, especially the biggest and most successful. No one person is bigger than the collective. You loved them, now you let them go and you move on. Promptly, seamlessly, and with purpose.
We don’t, it seems, want to let go and do the opposite. We maintain the status quo, preserve the methodology that isn’t working and has shown to be not working for some time.
Too many good people have left the club in recent years. If only the same energy and desire was shown to keep them onboard. And I’m not talking about players.
Time to stop papering the cracks. We’ve done that for too long. It has been nearly fifty years since the arrival of John Bond signalled a root and branch review of every single footballing issue at the club. Time for another Bond and time for that to happen again.
And it should already have started.
Yesterday was the classic case again of players not playing for the manager as on Tuesday should answer some of previous statements .
There’s one element to add, which you’ve touched upon, a wholesale review of the recruitment process. Far too many expensive misses, and not enough hits, certainly since Kieran Scott left the building.
That is exactly what I was talking about on twitter or X . had to correct somebody it was Scott who found Teemu and Emi The level has gone downhill since he left. I take some of Middlesbro player are down to Scott ?
I have wondered why him and other people have left the staff during Webber’s reign or am I too much into conspiraces lolol
I assume that Kieran Scott wanted to be a Sporting Director, maybe seeing himself as a potential heir apparent to Webber. When that opportunity seemed to be closed, he decided to look elsewhere. Can’t blame him for showing his ambition and going elsewhere.
Just a quick question. With all the restaurants and bars around the ground, are they treated as being an integral part of the club or are they part of Delia’s independent empire? She may be quite happy as long as the ground is fairly full – whether we are Championship or League One – as there may be a different motivation to stay in charge other than footballing success?
A lot of the discussion is all wondering around the same topics with lots of clichés and half truths without asking fundamental questions.
What is a football club today, a community asset or an entertainment business? How do you measure the success of a club?
What is the role of an owner, to grow the club to aim for or even guarantee success through investment, to make a maximum return on their investment or to steward a community asset through times? How do you measure the success of an owner? Silverware, happy fans, quality of facilities, depth of ties to the community?
We leap to conclusions early and often assuming conflicts of interest, conspiracies, greed and malign intent. But in reality these are just people with flaws, blind spots and making tough decisions in the public eye.
I wish them good luck in a task in which yesterday’s successes were an expected bare minimum and today’s failures are always a monumental catastrophe
I don’t think 26 years of one step forward and two back is rushing to conclusions.
It would take protests of the Chase out era to budge Delia in fact not even that. City will sell all of their season tickets anyway. The fans are that loyal. We are stuck with this lot until they pass away.
So let’s hope a new manager comes in and gets the team playing.
I do hate it when people have a go at individual players though this situation is down to bad management of the team and trying to put square pegs into round holes.
Chase out style protests are the fans’ only option. They’re getting the prestige that comes with owning a football club. They set their own targets – being a top 26 club – yet there are no consequences for failure and there is no accountability.
They surround themselves with uncritical client journalists only too happy to write puff pieces for them, Even the possibility that they might be responsible for the team’s lowly position doesn’t get a mention. “Delia out” chants can only be ignored for so long.
After managerial changes your playing style went too far away. When you have a certain playing style and it works its obvious that players are also suited to that playing style. Then when you change too much playing style, you have to build basically a new squad.
Farke built his playing to Pukki and then he had Buendia as a playmaker, those 2 clicked very well together because both are quality players. Then you had Aarons and Cantwell who were able to play with them because of their higher skill level than others had. What do you have now? Sara is not Buendia. Sargent is incredibly good at trying hard and because of that he is surely difficult to play against. Technically he is horrible. I believe that Wagner tries to build a new Huddersfield. This is typical to way too many managers that they are looking past their good times as a manager and avoid remembering bad times.
So my question is, why should you not try something fresh? Spurs australian manager has done fantastic job. It does not have to be australian, I mean it could be anyone and it would not have to be someone already involved to english football. Finland manager Kanerva for example is free to go after this season, its just an example. National team managers are always the top managers in each country.
Did you by the way know that english football brexit rules have changed and that clubs can buy at least 2 players from abroad who do not meet criteria.
And what now is Neil Adams position in all of this Gary ?
With no money to spend on players, it doesn’t make sense to pay off your manager so soon before the end of his contract.The opportunity cost of getting rid of Smith and all his staff was massive. January is not too late to stop the season from becoming a disaster. Wagner has made some crazy selection decisions and the team is very low on confidence Duffy has changed from a no-nonsense defender to a nonsense defender, he needs a rest.
Hallelujah he’s leaving in a fortnight hopefully so happy .
Kudos Gary, what an excellent overview of the situation. As ever, it’s provoked some good thought and provided some excellent reading.
The current form, the absurd Webber notice period, the deflating drawing out of the Attanasio involvement complete with the ridiculous explanation that it might have to take 7 years before real change actually occurs, the aggressive selling of playing assets, the disgraceful performances of the likes of Duffy and Idah amongst others, appear to have combined to finally cause the worm to turn. With the exception of the nutters and zealots whose prime concern isn’t actually Norwich City Football Club, the vast bulk of the support are on the same wavelength.
The rumour this morning is that Webber doesn’t fancy Blackburn on Sunday. Ideally Wagner, Zoe, and the “custodians” will give us all a boost and foxtrot Oscar into the wild blue yonder so that football can once again become the prime purpose at Carrow Road.
Delia Smith can witter on about 3 years, 7 years or maybe not ever with regard to the times pan for her relinquishing of her wrecking ball reign. In truth another 3 years of this shit and the club will have ceased to exist.
My guy. Absolutely nailed it.
We all know that what needs to be done won’t be done. Definitely not while Delia and Michael are around.
Pinkun headlines recently stated “Webber ‘close’ to City exit – reports”
I hoped that meant he was being relieved of his duties. It sounds more like he’s choosing to speed up his departure. This shows exactly what’s wrong with the club. We should have kicked this guy out of his high paying job long ago.
He hasn’t created a Norwich City playing style or any type of continuity, consistently failed to meet his league position goals (which are often lowered to make them more achievable), alienated the media, insulted the fans, and wasted vast sums of money.
I’d be sacked from my job for just one of those offences.
Yes he upgraded the facilities, but everyone in the club knew that had to happen – hardly an inspirational piece of thinking.
Get him out, get his buddy out, and bring some accountability to the club.
The day the board sanctioned Stuart Webber’s January transfer window climbing activities in Africa was the day that we discovered NCFC was really in the hands of an arrogant and ego driven man. Ever since, our Club has really only been about him. He, along with the support of Zoe Ward/Webber have made decisions with no apparent scrutiny or challenge from the Board; a board on which Mrs Webber sits rather than reports to as an employee of the Club. How can this be the rigorous oversight that is required? The ‘world wide search’ she spoke of for a new manager following Dean Smith’s departure led to the exodus of Huddersfield Town coaching staff to Colney. Some search. A Sporting Director’s resignation announced in March (though only revealed in June) has led to the longest goodbye in football history with Webber himself announcing (via a website interview) he would be ready to go in January 2024 ‘and prepare for Everest.’ Meanwhile, he has had continued oversight of the buying and selling of players and the plugging of a £60 million hole in City’s budget. A chaotic transfer of power and muddle that has impacted the Club both on and off the field.
Too many poor recruits (again) but at least at low or zero cost (unlike Buendia-money recruits). Too many poor long contract players on silly wages (Giannoulis, Gibson, McLean, Idah). Tooo few backroom staff left of any quality. The mess out on the pitch is equalled only by the mess (as we dimly see it, through a glass darkly) in the club management. We will probably be relegated to League 1 this season barring miracles but I wonder if we will still be playing against Stuart Webber’s previous club? Oh and is there anyone decent managing Colchester these days? No? In the division below? Have patience …
Great article Gary.
I agree with every word bar the Plan A and Plan B bit. I think we had Plan B on Saturday, an attempt at containment which sadly worked as well as Plan A has lately.
We need Ben Knapper here now.
We need Stuart Webber to be gone.
We need a new coach. Like you I think David Wagner is a lovely man but this is beyond him. Saturday reminded me of a good Norwich manager who was also let down by the board, Nigel Worthington’s last game against Burnley when he forgot the score. Wagner thought that performance against Sunderland was “ok”😱.
SW thought the summer of 21’s recruitment was “ok” Delia, “Lets be Havin yu”
There is a theme running through all of this. Welcome you yellow and green supporting mushrooms. Lets find a small room that’s dark💩
There is no accountability accepted in the powers of Carrow Road save for SW’S admittance he didn’t give Farke a chance in the EPL first time round. What about the second?
But I do not believe it was all his fault.
A dictatorship …”absolute authority in any sphere”….sounds familiar?
We have Mark Attanasio in the wings, will he be our Great Saviour? I don’t know no one does, could the outcome be worse? possibly. But you are not the only people who want the best for Norwich City and there could be someone who will do a better job. Is that so much out of the question.
But life is always about chance. Sometimes you have to take a risk. I know all about that.
The truth is where we are at the moment could lead to a worse outcome than under Gunny.
So take a risk Delia, give Attanasio full reign and go with genuine gratitude from the fan base for what you did all those years ago. As Gary says you and Michael would make really good Life Presidents.
Do what is in the interests of Norwich City please.
Sorry Tim, what did they do all those tears ago not save the club from Chase that was Geoff Watling who was then convinced to sell to Smith and Jones.
Nearly 30 years and not much to show for it.
I know a lot about that time Alex and I don’t want to be sued 😂
Let’s just say it’s my opinion from what I know that Delia and Michael set out with completely noble intentions all those years ago.
They were up against stuff that would make any proper Norwich City fan shiver.
Only my opinion mind.
Have they gone all power crazy believing they are the only people in the world who can run NCFC…you bet yah.
Spot on. Especially the bit about the illusion that this is self funding club based on Delia.’s socialist principles that she holds to because she can’t afford not to and because she can’t bear to step out of the limelight. A self funding club doesn’t need to go to the bank and borrow £66m. Where is the difference between that and taking Arab oil money?
She’s made her money out of her cash cow and it’s been disguised for long enough. Time to go…….only she won’t.
very very good point Mikey
There seems to be some misapprehension surrounding wagners contract. He is on a 12 month rolling contract.
This means he will always be 12 months from termination as it starts tomorrow and indefinitely. It isnt a case of waiting until January as he will still have 12 months to run.
The problems at Norwich are many and involve several individuals who should vacate their positions. This doesn’t mean we have to overlook the performance of a manager who is hitting Gunn/Hamilton levels of incompetence.
Your idea of a rolling contract is different to mine, I worked on a rolling contract for many years and all it meant was that I stay until one or other decided the time was up never was it always a year it was no renewal was needed, I was also on a 5% increase each year under your view I should have received a 5% increase every day as you say each day is a renewal of the next contract
That sounds very much how I understand it
Mark Attanasio is a successful and hard-headed businessman. Right now, I suspect he is wondering if he has been conned into investing in a shambolic club and, if so, whether he should just write off the cash spent as a bad decision and direct his energies elsewhere.
Delia, despite her many fine qualities, is now out of her depth in the cut-throat world of professional football.
Webber has lost all interest in Norwich and should be shown the door immediately, with a payout if necessary.
Wagner is a robotic manager whose selections, substitutions, formation and in-game tactics are so predictable every opposition manager has worked him out long ago.
Recruitment to replace Omobamidele and Aarons has been abysmal, and we now have a defence that is leakier than a sieve.
A few more defeats will make relegation a genuine possibility.
What more has to happen before Wagner is replaced, at the very least?
Thank you Gary for putting this out there.
I sometimes think I am going mad – is it only me that can see it? Why aren’t more people angry?
I think the sheer decency of Norfolk people means they can’t bring themselves to criticise a woman in her 80s, never mind protest about her.
But dear oh dear, what a dreadful end to her reign she now faces after not having the wisdom to step aside a good time ago.
Sacking Wagner now is highly likely to be pointless and a waste of money. Until Sargent, Barnes and Hanley are back I don’t see there being a significant improvement in form. If DW does go who is going to appoint his replacement?
The greatest mystery for me is why Idah was kept, and why on earth was he given a 5 year contract? The other mystery is why hasn’t Sainz been in the starting line up yet.
All fair comment. But a new manager will inherit the same squad. And please don’t get carried away with the idea that MA Group will be pumping £m in because they won’t
I agree, and this we could see a Glaser style ownership from the Norfolk Group
And how will that be different/worse than the current approach?
I don’t see that we have anything to lose by rolling the dice. What, we end up with new owners whom:
– Don’t put any money in
– Sell our best player UPON promotion
– Don’t invest in stadium
– Sell playing assets early (Oh how we could do with Andy O now)
– Oversee a laughable “corporate structure”
– Are merely there to service debt while their asset grows
Oh, we already have that. Time for a change.
That’s what I was meaning Delia has found her doppelganger